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Charles Knapp's avatar

While largely in agreement, you seem to conflate indigenous with autochthonous. It may be a difference without a difference, no one outside of myth or folklore really emerges out of the ground, but indigenous is not the equivalent in meaning of “being from there since forever.”

There is no legally accepted definition of indigeneity that I could find, not even in the 29 pages of the UN’s Convention on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

https://www.un.org/development/desa/indigenouspeoples/wp-content/uploads/sites/19/2018/11/UNDRIP_E_web.pdf

The only serviceable one I can come up with is that group self-identifying as a distinct people resident in a distinct area longer than any other distinct group. It’s some version of “oldest man standing”

So, as applied to the Jews, they have lived continuously in the land of Israel while their predecessors and contemporaries (Canaanites, Moabites, Edomites, Jebuzites, etc) have long since disappeared.

Whether that makes any practical difference is anyone’s guess, but my sense is that this particular debate is a response to those who claim that the Arabs are indigenous and Jews are not.

Another point is that Judaism has evolved over time, and I suspect that a subject in the old Kingdom of Judea might give a different response to your question than a subject in the old Kingdom of Israel let alone a modern day Ashkenazi Jew living in a culture heavily suffused in Christian concepts.

In a deeper sense, this entire discussion is meant to distract us from a fact with which we in the West are ambivalent about: might does make right. The Jewish claim ultimately arises out of conquest as does every similar claim, including the Arabs. Debates about covenants or indigeneity pretend to elevate the discussion into the realm of abstraction where many feel more comfortable in arguing about other abstractions such as fairness, justice and the like.

Or perhaps I’m just being cynical, even as self-identify as skeptical.

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“The Jewish relationship to the land of Israel is covenantal, i.e., legal, formal, and transactional.”

Agreed. The land belongs to the Jewish god. Any legal claim to it begins and ends with him. The difficulties the Jews are having inhabiting the land is a result of them getting crossways with their god. Many of us are hopeful that situation will be resolved soon.

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