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Liz Wagner's avatar

Please see this, too. Diana’s piece and this one are ESSENTIAL reading. https://open.substack.com/pub/futureofjewish/p/what-hitler-saw-in-evian-hamas-sees

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Diana Murray's avatar

Thanks. I’m not too popular there because I criticize Israel too much. I haven’t been as vocal about that as I usually am because it’s war, but you should read this if you want a better understanding of where I come from.

https://technium.substack.com/p/ice-cold-revenge

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Liz Wagner's avatar

Thanks. Having read “Ice Cold Revenge,” I just want to suggest you may be wrong about this: “No historical counterinsurgency offers Israel a model for victory.” To me, the successful marginalization of white supremacists in the US is the model for victory we should be looking at. It can be done, but requires vigilance. The Palestinians are an Arab and Muslim supremacist hate group, not a people in search of a state. “Palestine” is the Lost Cause myth Arabs came up with, after their 1948 jihad to destroy Israel was defeated. The myth was indulged by the West, because we needed oil and because, being habitually antisemitic, the Christian West assumed it would never be targeted, as Israel was. Instead, Islamists used “Palestine” to court neo-Nazis on the right and haters of the US, on the left. Palestinianism should have been crushed, along with the Nazis, in the aftermath of WW II. Still, I'm glad to have found your interesting substack.

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Diana Murray's avatar

I'm going to answer you in a poast.

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Liz Wagner's avatar

I posted a reply to you here. I’m a total newbie at Substack, but I’m forging ahead, as I think the conversations we’re trying to have, from very different points of view, point in the same direction. Change, for the better. https://open.substack.com/pub/lizwagner/p/reply?r=b7i7m&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=post-publish

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Diana Murray's avatar

Thanks. I’ve laid out my position as clearly as I can and will leave it at that. Readers are welcome to explore your post and make up their own minds, but I won’t be continuing this debate.

Best wishes with your Substack.

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Liz Wagner's avatar

Awesome!

This was me, pre-Milgram-Lischinsky murders:

https://www.jns.org/stop-following-the-leaders/

Heads need to be banged, and you’ve made a brilliant start. Kol HaKavod!

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Andy Baylor's avatar

Israel knows who every protester is…and everything about that protester.

Ask me how I know!

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Fred Aaron is Pops Culture's avatar

Schumer and the downstate Liberal Jews think this is still the Democratic Party they grew up with and view Donald Trump as a bigger threat to Jews than Ayatollah Khamenei and his thugs in Hamas. So if Trump does something, they have a kneejerk response to oppose it.

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Diana Murray's avatar

They're presiding over a disaster. They made more over the Central Park birdwatching non-incident than outright antisemitism at Columbia U.

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Fred Aaron is Pops Culture's avatar

And they made more about Jewish landowners exercising property rights over Arab squatters in Sheik Jarrah than Arabs murdering Jews in terror attacks.

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Homer Terence's avatar

💯

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